Thursday, 14 August 2014

The Elder Family, Robert William and Florence

We were up at 5.30 am Tuesday morning to go off to a Car Boot, its usually a good one and during this summer I have managed to find quite a few wonderful old photos from there. 
This Tuesday was no exception, I had a couple of amazing finds and this Old Photo was one, as soon as I saw it I loved it, exquisite...the gorgeous girls all looking at the Photographer...all dressed in beautiful clothes too.... its quite large, 10 x 13 inches, it wouldn't fit in my scanner, so I used camera. 
If you look carefully you will see why I was so excited about left in pencil 'Elder' and in the left side margin 'Winnie, Phylis & Rosemary' and on the right 'Flo'.
 I was whoop whooping all the way home !! ha ha....
Couldn't wait to look for them and I did find them almost immediately, and have found out lots great info about the family Elder.
Pic Taken end 1904-beg of 1905,maybe Xmas
Robert William Elder 1869-1936 was the son of Charles Elder 1837-1918 (born Bristol)  and his wife Harriet Doughty Springall 1832-1873 (born Norfolk) They had Charles, Lydia, Robert and James, when Harriet died (maybe after James birth) Charles remarried in the same year on the 21st December 1873 a Mary Morris, spinster, and they had one son Frederick.
In the 1891 census Robert William was a Solicitors clerk, but by the time he married Florence Jarvis (Flo) on 7th January 1899 he was a Solicitor.
Robert William & Florence marriage
 Florence Jarvis 1872-1955 was the daughter of John Jarvis 1837-1908? (born Sutton on Trent)(a Tobacconist)and his wife Catherine Eliza Graves 1836-1897 (born Westminster) Florence was the youngest of 6 children. 
In the 1891 census Florence was a servant, Chambermaid to a family in Woolwich. 
So when she married Robert William her life was certainly on the up !
1911 Elder family doing well with servants
Their first daughter Phyllis Florence was born on 15 August 1900, then a second daughter Winifred Mary born 28 August 1901, and then their last daughter Rosemary born 3 March 1904, the baby in the picture..
Looking at her age I do wonder if maybe the photo might have been a present for Daddy for Christmas of his girls....1904.
Rosemary went on to marry Walter S Calkin in October Q 1925 in Marylebone, London. I have found several possible birth for the couple but nothing conclusive...Rosemary died in January 1985 in Worthing, West Sussex.
Winifred Mary married Eric Davenport in October Q 1929 in Marylebone, Middlesex. I have found one possible birth for the couple, a boy John born in 1931, but I can't be sure.
Winifred Mary died on 14 March 1985 in Surrey. Her death was announced in the Times on 20 March 1985... 'Davenport.On March 14th at Woking.Winifred Mary,widow of Eric.' Very short and to the point ! 
Phyllis Florence the eldest of the three lovely girls is something of a mystery,  I have spent a few hours trying to find out what happened to her to no avail !
Phyllis went over to Gibraltar in 1921 and returned..Holiday maybe.
Then in 1927 she went with Elder family members and others to Montreal, Canada.
There is another record of a Phyllis Elder going to Canada in 1936, but I'm not sure its her.
 I have found no conclusive marriage record (poss one in 1922) or death record for her at I think she will just remain a mystery.
Robert William when he died in 1936 left £123,298 10s 11d .....a lot of money in those days, equivalent to almost 8 Million pounds in today's money !!
When Florence passed away in 1955 she had £12,898 1s left, equivalent to about £309,000 in today's money.

Incredible what you can find out about a family, just from a few scribbled names !
I also got another wonderful Victorian Album on Tuesday, with over 60 Old Photos in, but that will be more research and scanning to come.

Till next time then...................................

Sunday, 10 August 2014

St Columb Major Parish Church and Town, Cornwall.

St Columb Major is a town that we had a nice wander around when we toured Cornwall recently. 
Was lovely as it was a Sunday afternoon, so nice and quiet. 
There are some lovely buildings and interesting places to see in the town.
Barclays Bank Building

This looks so inviting !!
 Probably just as well this Antique shop was closed, as I could see he had quite a few old photos inside, so we probably saved a few pennies !!
The highlight of the town though for us, was the Grade 1 14th century (14th century origin, with additions of 15th century and restoration of mid - late 19th century) Parish Church, dedicated to St Columba, a local saint.
The tower is fifteenth century, and unusually built with a passage beneath, wide enough for carts, it was a right of way to parishioners to the college founded by Sir John Arundel in 1427..... as the Church did not own the land on three sides of the tower until 1820.
The tower is 80 feet (24 m) high and contains eight bells re-hung in 1950.
In 1920 the chiming clock was added as a memorial to the men of St. Columb who died in WW1, the Great War.
St Columb Major Parish Church

War Memorial, St Column Major
 Below is the unusually decorated Font, the Screen by George Fellows Prynne, ceiling picture and early 20th century pulpit.

19th century carved Font

Screen by George Fellowes Prynne

Ceiling detail

Pulpit early 20th C

Below are just a couple of examples of my very favourite part of the Church...the wonderful bench/pew ends. 
They are magnificent, so beautifully carved, it seems from what I have found out that they are dating back as far as 1510, there are 38 still in the Church. 
I have taken more pictures of these, as they are all so different,  and plus other photos of the Church, all on my Pinterest board here....  St Columb Major Parish Church
They are all decorated beautiful ! 


  The Church is normally open to visitors during daylight hours and is well worth a visit.
Saint Columba's Cross in the churchyard

Inside the passage of the Tower

Churchyard of St Columb Major church

Till next time then .....................................

Wednesday, 30 July 2014

The Trist Family, Veryan and the Five Round Houses

We went off touring for a while down to Cornwall at the beginning of this month, and finally got to stay at the Camping and Caravan Club site at Veryan, what a brilliant site !
Not only that, but the village of Veryan is so beautiful and has lots of really interesting history, and many listed buildings of interest.
We have saved the St Symphorian Church, Veryan  to investigate further the next time we visit.......
St Symphorian Church, Veryan
 In the village of Veryan are five very distinctive Round Houses,all listed, here are four of the five.

All the houses were built in about 1820 by Hugh Rowe, a Lostwithiel builder, for the Reverend Jeremiah Trist, reputed to be one for each of his 5 daughters. 
But it seems they were lived in by his tenants or labourers of the village, there are several theories as to why they were round, one is that it is said to deter the activities of the Devil !  But it seems more likely to be for practical reasons and that it was just economical to build that way and to heat etc. Although they each have a cross on the roof.
The Trist Family
Reverend Jeremiah Trist succeeded his father John Trist in 1783 as the local vicar, John had installed two bells in the church and had planted many trees in his lifetime on the 600 acres the family owned at Veryan.
Portrait of John Trist

 Jeremiah himself made an indelible mark on the church and its parish, establishing the first boys and girls schools 1814 and 1821, building the five roundhouses, and embellishing the church with the present tower clock (1800), placing two stone tablets of texts in the porch (1803) and removing the old singing gallery from the west end (1809). 
He also built his own house Parc Behan as his vicarage.
Picture Copyright Mr George Egan on Images of England
 Then he in turn was succeeded by his son Samuel Peter John Trist  in 1830.
Jeremiah Trist was born on 30 September 1755, son of John and Jane, he died 23 September 1829.
He married Elizabeth Charlotte Fincher on 13 May 1783 in Veryan. She was born 22 May 1762 and died 22 July 1849 at Parc Behan, Green Lane, Veryan. The Vicarage now a house that Jeremiah had built in about 1802-10.
They had 5 daughters and 2 sons.
1) Charlotte Fincher b early 1784, m John Gwatkin in 1814, had 4 children, all b in India. She d 14 November 1869, buried in Veryan.
2) Harriet Ann b late 1785, m Richard Budd in 1813, had 2 children, and d October 1871 Bath, Somerset.
3) Caroline b early 1787, seems never married, 1851 census she was a visitor to a curate and his wife in Somerset and listed as 'Annuitant'. Found possible death 1864 in Somerset.
4) Thomas b summer 1788, m Frances Grose, they had 2 sons and 1 daughter. And it looks like he lived in India from about 1807 to 1822 and was an officer in the Bengal Native Infantry, he died 4 April 1832.
In looking for information about Thomas I came across this great page from a reference book, Burke's,  about the Trist family....See below!
  It shows that Jeremiahs wife Elizabeth was the daughter of the Vicar of Veryan, Rev Richard Fincher before brilliant...they certainly kept it in the family! Also that Thomas (Eldest Son) was a 15th direct descendant from King Edward 111.

5) Samuel Peter John b late 1790, was christened on Christmas day 1790. He went to Oxford College Oriel at age 17 just like his father (Jeremiah also went to Oxford College but Lincoln).   
No marriage found.  He was Vicar of Veryan for 40 years
 Samuel (the builder of Trist House and garden, a very grand new Vicarage) 
Trist House
rescued a large quantity of medieval carved stonework from the derelict chapel of St Nun at Grampound. It is likely that some of the early features in the parish church came from this source and were added during the major rebuilding of the church undertaken by Samuel between 1847 and 1850.Samuel d 8 June 1869.
6)Louisa Jane b 1795 and d May 1809 aged 14 years.
7)Maria Elizabeth b early 1790 d early 1818 aged 28 years.
I don't know the reason these two sisters died so young.
They are both buried in the family vault at Veryan.
The Trist family have a Tomb vault, it is thought built by Jeremiah in about 1800, close to the tower of St Symphorian, Veryan. Several members of the family are buried there.
Trist family Mausoleum....... RESURGEMUS'   ‘Sown in Corruption, raised in Incorruption’
More information on the Memorial Inscriptions at Veryan, follow link below......
Cornwall OPC MIs

The village of VERYAN, more information about its buildings of note, follow link below......
Listed Buildings in VERYAN

Till next time then ...............

Friday, 20 June 2014

WDYTYA Magazine Index Part 7

Here is Part 7 of My WDYTYA Magazine Index, amazing it has been over a year since I put Part 6 on My Blog.......bit delayed this one as we moved in March !
Please remember though not everything is listed, you still have lots of other Articles and Subjects covered in the Magazine, Like Q and A and On The Record and don't forget The Guide which is a wealth of information.
Have had to change my computer system and haven't got to grips with the technical side yet, so I have put these lists on four images, still easy for you to print out I hope ! 
 All you need to do is right click & 'save image as'.....then print it out..Everything is in Alphabetical order, then keep with your Magazines...

Part 7 a

Part 7 b

Part 7 c

Part 7 d

Links below are to previous parts if you missed them...

WDYTYA Magazine Index Part 1
WDYTYA Magazine Index Part 2
WDYTYA Magazine Index Part 3
WDYTYA Magazine Index Part 4
WDYTYA Magazine Index Part 5
WDYTYA Magazine Index Part 6

Hope you all find these indexes useful .......
Till next time then...................

Saturday, 10 May 2014

Changes and Updates

I have neglected my Blog for quite a while it seems, amazing where the time goes to !
So just to update you a little, we have moved from Christchurch to Shaftesbury, still in Dorset but North of the County, and we have moved from a very old 1930's bungalow to a modern house, so it has been quite a change. But we are enjoying living here, the countryside is fantastic, and the area is a lot less commercialised
than where we were in Christchurch. We can see wonderful views of the Blackmore Vale from our windows, and Gold Hill, made famous by Hovis is just five minutes walk up the hill.

 Exploring a new area when you move is always lovely, new people, new places, are keeping us busy.
We do miss being so close to the sea though, that's the only downside so far !

Photo Update...Wonderful news about the Jewell Family Photos, that I wrote 2 blogs about last year. Link here..  Jewell Suitcase Family pt1 and pt2   

I had an email from a relative of the family by marriage, and she in turn acted as a go between, to ask about, and arrange for all the photos to finally be returned to the family. I even had a wonderful chat with Gordon's Grandson and his wife on the telephone. They are elderly, and not on the internet, so with the photos I sent all of their Family History that I had found out, with all my notes, and also a copy of the two blogs that I had written about them all.
They were so pleased, and they have descendants who are thrilled to be getting the family photos back, so they will not be ending up at another Car Boot sale.
I was a little sad to see them all go, as I have got to know the family and all the photos so well, especially the branch that settled in America, Gordon's sister. They didn't even know that they had family over there, so that is something that they are going to follow up on, which is wonderful too.

Of course moving here to Shaftesbury has meant also that we are now searching out new Car Boot sales. So far we have found quite a few really good ones and my collection of Old Photos has been growing, I have just started to scan these new additions too. So eventually they will be either on my new Facebook page or new boards on my Pinterest or if I am lucky enough to find names etc on any they may get returned to their families.
Just last weekend I acquired 2 French Victorian albums, and as I have no knowledge at all about French photographers I have decided to wait and research these during the winter months, I shall have more time then.
Here below are just a few of the lovely new additions I have found recently.

Photographer from Margate
Great group pic,dressed as Clowns,no name/place
Photographer is Walshams,Doughty St,London and Provinces
Super fancy dress parade,Bride and Groom are gorgeous,nothing written on.
A Real Wedding..see below
The Wedding picture above says on the back "For Derek, Wishing him a happy 5th birthday from Auntie Kitty and Uncle George"  So I assume the little pageboy is Derek and the couple are Kitty and George.
Of course if anyone recognizes any of these anonymous families please let me know !!!

Till next time then................

Thursday, 23 January 2014

Imber Lost Village, Wiltshire

St Giles Church, Imber
 On Wednesday the 1st January 2014, on our way home from a few days away in the Motorhome at Devizes, we made our first visit ever to the Lost Village of Imber, on Salisbury Plain, Wiltshire.
This village is open for a few days every year and we just never seem to have got to go before.

The day started off with rain and continued with rain !! Not the best conditions for a visit, but the Church and its friends couldn't have been more welcoming. The Church itself was warm and beautifully decorated for Christmas, the Bellringers were ringing the Bells and the lovely friends of the Church were serving nice cups of tea ! It was a brilliant visit, we loved it.

Inside the Church as you can see from the pictures I took, there are lots of information boards telling the story of Imber then and now, with lots of very old pictures of the original village and its people. There are also very interesting Boards telling you about the Wildlife that lives in and around Imber and on Salisbury Plain and the Conservation work that is going on there.

While I was doing my research about Imber for writing this Blog, I came across a brilliant site called Geograph where I found lots more pictures about Imber (plus more places around the UK) 
The site also had some good research and writing about Imber Church by Brian Robert Marshall, which I have copied below with his kind permission. Also some of the Pictures that he and others have taken, I have put on my Pinterest Board from this site, again with Brian's kind permission. Some of the pictures are great because as it was pouring with rain on our visit and wet and muddy, I wasn't able to take as many as I wanted or go exploring as much.
Kestrel sheltering from the rain

We are going to try and go back in better weather in the Summer, Brian has told me that often the village is open during August..see link below Imber Friends.
 IMBER Church and Village Pinterest Board

St Giles Church, Imber Written by Brian Robert Marshall

The church is on the site of an earlier mid 12th century building. The church as seen today is the result of building work carried out in the 13th and 15th centuries, and restorations dating from 1849 and 1895. It continued to serve its parishioners until 1943 when the entire village was depopulated to aid the war effort. The villagers were never allowed back and the village today is, most of the time, used for military training. An unusual feature of the exterior is the top of the tower which has five pinnacles. 
Many of the interior fittings have been removed to other churches. The font is now in Brixton Deverill, whilst the altar, communion rails and some pews are in Bratton, Other pews made it as far as Churchdown in Gloucestershire. The interior still has much of interest. 
The church is listed Grade I.... 
full details here.. Listed building Info
From 1943 until 2002 the church was maintained by the War Department and its successor the Ministry of Defence. Following being declared redundant, the church passed into the care of the Churches Conservation Trust in 2005. Much work spanning the years 2005 to 2009 has been carried out to conserve the building and its features. 
The church remains consecrated as a place of worship and services are held on certain days each year.
 The Wiltshire Times wrote a piece about the new Bells in February 2011
A week before Christmas 1943 the isolated village tucked deep in the folds of Salisbury Plain was requisitioned by the War Office. Villagers were told at the beginning of November that they had to pack up everything and leave.
The villagers, praised for the sacrifice they were making towards the war effort, were promised that their village would be returned to them after the Second World War. 
 With the Church building (St Giles) gradually falling into decline the Friends of Imber campaigned for its renovation.
After lengthy negotiations, the Government and the Church of England agreed to the facelift and at the beginning of 2007, under the control of the Churches Conservation Trust, the £200,000 restoration project began. Recently six new bells were installed and the peal rung for the first time in 60 years. 

Lots of people have written so much about this lost village on the internet, my best advice is if you are interested is to go and pay a visit yourself.....its free......and well worth taking the time to go....especially the Church of St Giles. Next opening time is Easter, for all up to date information about Imber Village and Church.... Click here   IMBER Friends

Till next time then................

Monday, 6 January 2014

Hawkins Family Pic

I came upon this picture above at a  local Car Boot sale in November with 5 or 6 others, and it wasn't until I sat down later in the afternoon to have a look at my finds from the morning, that I realized on turning it over that all the Childrens full names were written on the back, with their ages and the date the photo was taken !! I was over the moon, not very often that happens !

Someone once sold this for £2.50,but I only paid 50p each Pic
So the research began and here's what I have found out about this family.....
Parents names were William John Hawkins (b.Liverpool) and Elizabeth Dymott (b.East Cowes,Isle of Wight) who married in the last quarter of 1887 in Southampton, Hampshire.
1) Margaret Elizabeth Hawkins, the eldest child was born 9th March 1890 in Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland. She was Christened at St Peters Church in Liverpool on 27 June 1890. By the time of the 1891 Census the family had moved down south to live with Margaret's Grandparents (Elizabeth's parents) (Richard and Elizabeth Dymott) in Spear Road, Southampton.
At the beginning of 1892 Elizabeth gave birth to Twins 
2) Alice Caroline Dymott and 
3) Cecil Joseph Richard both births registered at South Stoneham, Hampshire
4) Ethel Minnie Hilda was next,in the 3rd quarter of 1893, another daughter, again registered South Stoneham, Hampshire
5) Edith May Eleanor The last child, another girl front left of photo, born on the 5th October 1894
Mother..Elizabeth Dymott was born in 1854 on the Isle of Wight, East Cowes to Richard Reeks Dymott (1827-5th Oct 1897) and Elizabeth Pope (1824-1909) Richard was a Carpenter Joiner, as was his father John before him, Richard's mothers name was Joanna. 
Both Richard and Elizabeth Pope were born in Poole, Dorset, and married in the Poole Parish Church St James on 26th January 1853. Elizabeth's father John Pope was a Mariner.
Richard Reeks Dymott, when he died left £38-18s to his widow, they lived in Spear Road, Southampton, Hampshire.
Father..William John Hawkins was born in 1848 in Liverpool, Lancashire to Joseph Bennett Hawkins a printer (1820 Liverpool-1860 Liverpool) and Margaret Wilson (1820 Liverpool-1890 West Derby)  He had a brother Alfred and a sister Alice Caroline. I have found a record dated 27th December 1870 of a William John Hawkins being a Second Mate in the Merchant services..see below.. and I do wonder if this is how William John and Elizabeth met, as she lived in Southampton, maybe he travelled there ? 

Joseph Bennett Hawkins and Margaret Wilson had married in 1846. Joseph Bennett's father William was an Officer in HMC and Margaret's father John was a Wine Merchant, her mothers name was Mary Ann Bickerstaff, and they had married on 10th August 1817 at St Nicholas Church, Liverpool.
Margaret Wilson also had a brother called John, who inherited from his father in 1863 and it was on his Will that John (The Son) was a Manager of a Steam Tug Company in Liverpool.
 In 1901 this Hawkins family lived in Earls Road, Southampton, the road backing onto Spears Road where Elizabeth's parents seemed to live most of their married lives at different numbers, so I do think that probably the picture was taken in one or the other gardens in Southampton.
William John Hawkins was a Wood Sawyer/Machinist in 1901/1911 at a Joinery works, he died in 1919 age 70. Elizabeth died in 1940 aged 85.
What happened to the Children ?
1) Margaret Elizabeth in the 1911 Census was working at Brockenhurst Park, New Forest, Hampshire as an Under Nurse. There seemed to be a lot of staff employed within the estate, it was a fantastic country House, that sadly was demolished in the 1960's and a newer version built, they hold weddings/horse shows there now.
Brockenhurst Park before demolition
Also in Brockenhurst in 1911 was a young man called Edwin Leonard Elford who was born in Lymington in 1882, working as a Chauffeur, they met and married in 1915 in Southampton. I haven't been able to find any children born to the couple, but I did find a Post Office record of Edwin being appointed in 1925. 
Edwin died on 22 June 1965 just after they had celebrated 50 years of marriage, Margaret Elizabeth herself died in June 1973 still in Southampton.
2) Alice Caroline Dymott Hawkins, never married but died in 1967 in Winchester, Hampshire. I found no other records online concerning her at all.
3) Cecil Joseph Richard married Elsie Winifred White (born 26 May 1891)  in 1920 in Southampton, Hampshire, I have found no conclusive proof online of any Children born. Cecil died on 19th March 1948 at home in Testwood Lane, Totton, Southampton, Hampshire leaving £1026 1s 6d to his widow. Elsie herself died in March 1974, still in Southampton.
4) Ethel Minnie Hilda married Ernest E Marsh in 1913 in Christchurch, Dorset. There are no conclusive records of any Children and there are several possible death dates for Ethel and Ernest, but nothing definate.
5) Edith May Eleanor was another one of these children who didn't marry, I have found her death record in April 1987 in Southampton, Hampshire aged 92. I found one record on Find My Past that might relate to this Edith May

Did she become a Teacher ?? I wonder.......
Again because I only rely on records that I can access online for my research into these pictures, I cannot find any other clues about her life.

I still find it quite amazing that just because of a few names we can find out so much about a their lives and Ancestors from the comfort of our own homes, we are very very lucky. There is lots more online about this family and the generations before, if you know the family or someone who is descended from them I will be more than happy to return the photo to where it belongs.

Till Next time then............................